In a self-hosted podcast episode, Giuliani told listeners that there is “considerable movement” in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin towards decertification of the election results amid a growing body of evidence of election fraud.
“So starting after Christmas, this is really going to blow up,” he said. “Because the evidence that all these crooked television networks, newspapers, big tech, and the leadership of the Democratic Party, have been giving you is false. And you’re going to find that out all at once. It’s going to be very shocking to the country.”
The Democratic presidential candidate was certified the winner of the four swing states Giuliani mentioned, though alternate slates of electors cast votes for Trump. Giuliani and Trump’s legal team were working to convince state legislatures to take back the power to appoint electors, but none did so before the votes were cast on Dec. 14. They’re now pushing state lawmakers to decertify the election results, and potentially certify Trump as the winner of the states, citing irregularities including alleged fraud.
“The numbers were wrong. Therefore they must be decertified,” Giuliani added in a podcast episode on Dec. 26.
Decertification would require, in most swing states, support from at least a handful of Democrats, something considered unlikely.
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, left, and President Donald Trump in file photographs. (AP Photo; Getty Images)
Giuliani marked Christmas with the video, saying America is “going into probably a more dramatic January than we’ve had in our history.”
He mentioned the House of Representatives, where at least nine members or members-elect have pledged to contest electoral votes during the Jan. 6, 2021, joint session of Congress.
“That’s what’s going to go on now—going to state legislatures and go on [to] Congress. This is going to be pursued. No matter what the crooked media tells you, it’s a real case,” the lawyer said, remarking shortly after he said he was not allowed as a guest on ABC, NBC, CBS, or Fox News.
Trump and his campaign have pointed to witnesses attesting to irregularities at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta and elsewhere, along with applications of election law they say were unconstitutional, in contesting election results. So far, no legal cases have been successful.
Biden appeared to have secured enough electoral votes to win the election earlier this month, but contests during the joint session, or certain legal rulings, could change that calculus. The Epoch Times is not calling the race at this time.
Biden declared victory after the electoral votes were cast, calling on Trump to concede. His team didn’t respond to a request for comment on Giuliani’s remarks.